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Re: DBM Status Update (Updated Oct 4th, 19)

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Re: DBM Status Update (Updated Oct 21st, 19)

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Re: DBM Status Update (Updated Dec 13th, 19)

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Re: DBM Status Update (Updated Oct 2nd, 20)

Postby MysticalOS » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm

I've been holding off on making this post for months now, however I really need to rebuild support. It’s declined so much this year. From Covid, from people leaving wow, plus in general me HATING talking about/asking for DBM support because I always feel guilty for it even though It’s sorely needed.

I'm not the type of person that asks for development support every month to refill people who have left when in reality I should be if I ever want to maintain a flat line. That's just not me. I try to just make great mods and let word of mouth and great work be enough. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be working, likely mainly do to fact that even now and even after surge from 2 years ago, most just remain completely unaware 1 person works on DBM full time and relies on that crowdfunding support to create all these mods. Addon authors are in a tough spot because unlike other forms of content creation (such as youtubers, streamers, etc), we're not constantly in your face, and there are no sub reminders or sub goals to look at all the time. We're very much out of sight out of mind in that regard.

While 2 years ago you all helped me massively recover from an unhealthy situation, many did not stick around after that to continue supporting the full time work that goes into DBM. A lot of that support was short term given by people rallying to help me personally (for which I'll be forever grateful for) but not nearly as many people actually supporting the work itself, DBM. Basically, support for DBM has been in free fall since that surge and obviously the state of world and WoW during BfA certainly didn't help any either.

Now, I'm not asking for people go crazy again like last time, as I didn't even ask for that last time (but again, thank you for that). However, DBM's development requires enough support to at least be able to make a living doing it without stressing over it. I have been stressing about where the graphs are trending and although I'm getting by right now, that becomes more cloudy months from now. People continue to drop support with not much new support coming in.

What I want is people who use and believe in the work to commit to longer term support (even just 1 dollar a month helps or you can even do once per year now of just 10 dollars if you wanted). While I appreciate those that do give larger short term support, it brings volatility to long term support. DBM as a project needs long term supporters supporting the work, not just me or my immediate needs. People sticking around with DBM for years to come so I can make great mods and hopefully one day truly can expand the team beyond myself and occasional unpaid volunteer help that I constantly feel guilty about not being able to pay.

Currently patreon sits at around 1300 supporters, with about 800 of them being 1 dollar pledges (and believe me those are most reliable ones, those are the ones that tend not to cancel after 1 2 or 3 months). DBM receives hundreds of thousands of downloads, monthly, so there are still MANY users out there, likely uninformed that they can help with so little effort. Again, I don't want to rely on a handful of bigger supporters picking up the slack in short term that eventually fall off later, when there is potential to have MANY more smaller supporters make a difference without ever feeling like they are missing what they are giving.

Ways you can support and more info can be found here:
https://github.com/DeadlyBossMods/Deadl ... efits-Info

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Also, seeing last post from this thread is pretty old. I'll at least state what's going on with DBM so far.
  • PVP mods were pretty much fully restored to former glory and even improved upon. They are a big success in retail and classic wow.
  • Shadowlands content mods are going very well, both in thanks to many many MANY hours I put in but also from a still ongoing partnership with Limit to provide raid testing data that only further bolsters DBM up. DBM is going to go into shadowlands very strong.
  • Classic mods are also going very well. There is hardly a classic stream i don't open up that isn't not only using DBM, but appreciating just how much DBM stepped up to support classic community.
  • There has even been some prep for TBC. Any free time away from shadowlands, retail, and classic, I've thrown into reviewing and improving TBC mods, which will eventually be reverse ported to TBC Classic if and when that happens. I will not simply dump mods written over a decade ago into TBC classic without modernizing them with 2020 level of quality and features modern DBM users expect.
  • A ton of improvements to core and gui have even been made thanks to some paid help I was able too commission for a lot of that work and they've even thrown in a lot of volunteer help when I was no longer able to pay them. I'd love to commission even more work, many more hours of help to continue that work too which is one of reasons I make this post. I can always use more help and being able to afford it is a huge relief of burden of my shoulders. Peoples time is valuable and being able to compensate it is very good feeling.

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"But wait whatever did happen with health, I don't want to read through 3 pages of updates".

After going to wrong specialist first, poorly done extractions, going to right guy after but so many things to fix and tons of months (years now?) of visits and 62k+ later, Gums are healthy, implants are in, but actually still no teeth yet. Covid shutdown combined with fact of massive overbookings do to shortages of good doctors has lead to massive delays. I should finally have teeth, for first time in over 2 years, in coming months but it's still in progress. Everything is paid for and now it's just process of continued impressions and fittings and try ins before finalized hybrid denture/teeth are put on the implants.

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Re: DBM Status Update (Updated March 1st, 21)

Postby MysticalOS » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:02 pm

MysticalOS wrote:While 2 years ago you all helped me massively recover from an unhealthy situation, many did not stick around after that to continue supporting the full time work that goes into DBM. A lot of that support was short term given by people rallying to help me personally (for which I'll be forever grateful for) but not nearly as many people actually supporting the work itself, DBM. Basically, support for DBM has been in free fall since that surge and obviously the state of world and WoW during BfA certainly didn't help any either.

Now, I'm not asking for people go crazy again like last time, as I didn't even ask for that last time (but again, thank you for that). However, DBM's development requires enough support to at least be able to make a living doing it without stressing over it. I have been stressing about where the graphs are trending and although I'm getting by right now, that becomes more cloudy months from now. People continue to drop support with not much new support coming in.

What I want is people who use and believe in the work to commit to longer term support (even just 1 dollar a month helps or you can even do once per year now of just 10 dollars if you wanted). While I appreciate those that do give larger short term support, it brings volatility to long term support. DBM as a project needs long term supporters supporting the work, not just me or my immediate needs. People sticking around with DBM for years to come so I can make great mods and hopefully one day truly can expand the team beyond myself and occasional unpaid volunteer help that I constantly feel guilty about not being able to pay.

Currently patreon sits at around 1300 supporters, with about 800 of them being 1 dollar pledges (and believe me those are most reliable ones, those are the ones that tend not to cancel after 1 2 or 3 months). DBM receives hundreds of thousands of downloads, monthly, so there are still MANY users out there, likely uninformed that they can help with so little effort. Again, I don't want to rely on a handful of bigger supporters picking up the slack in short term that eventually fall off later, when there is potential to have MANY more smaller supporters make a difference without ever feeling like they are missing what they are giving.

^ This is still accurate, and it's been a few more months. Cloudy is starting to arrive.

2020 was rough on us all. I certainly don't fault anyone removing a pledge they could no longer afford. This goes back to what I keep saying though. Relying on people giving a lot is extremely volatile. I'd rathor many users (DBM literally has hundreds of thousnds of them) giving 1-3 dollars a month or even as little as 10 dollars a year that they'd literally not even miss. People giving 10, 25, 50 etc for a few short months then dropping out is appreciated, but also extremely volatile if no one fills that void when that support eventually ends. That's what makes support look like this \, which is exactly how support has looked literally since 2018 surge. Tons of short term support and long term support still entirely unreliable.

I got out of a bad place, and still out of that bad place, but I don't ever want to be there again. All I've ever wanted was to flatten line and be able to have a reliable month to month/year to year I can count on not being less than previous month/year. A place that lets me not worry about having enough saved up for taxes because well pump, dishwasher, and washing machine all broke down same month (yes that happened). Something that gives me buffer to deal with those things and pay taxes and bring in developer help as much as I need to provide best service I can to DBM. It's why I set the goals at reasonable and fair levels that showed exactly amounts I need to meet those goals. Unfortunately, DBM has been below some of those support goals for nearly a good year now. I'm already feeling stretched

I wish there was way to reward you all for your support better than discord perks but hands are tied with premium addon services nor do I ever want to do that anyways. I basically just need more people to believe in work enough to support it and that's it.

I've thought about things like dropping classic mod maintenance and not supporting TBC when it's launched, but it's not in my nature to hold back stretch goals even when they aren't met. I'm the kind of person that'll just overwork myself to meet extra goals by myself than make my users suffer. Take all that burden on. In an ideal world though, help would be greatly appreciated.

Every time I've tweeted about this last few months, it gets lots of likes and replies, but not gaining any traction of actual supporters. Last tweet was 30 likes and 13 retweets last I looked and it earned 2 new supporters, that replaced 8 that dropped. -6 better than -8, but I want to stop being in negative. I don't even care if I get no growth but I need the decline (\) to stop. Help me flatten that line.

As for a small DBM update. Just kinda working on bug reports/fixes for classic and retail and waiting for TBC beta and 9.1 PTR. Both of these things will have me extremely busy since I will have to do them both probably at same time the best I can. I might even stream some of this now that internet is a bit better. Teeth update, not really much to report, same boat as last report.

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TL/DR:
1. DBM support continues to decline beyond what I'm comfortable with. I could really use more stability in support from more users (vs active users trying to stretch themselves thinner, I don't want that). Help is appreciated but not required. I just hope more that can give a little get involved so weight of this project is carried by many more (and thus becomes lighter on everyone).
2. DBM has been well below additional help goals quite some time and it's leaving me shoulder more of work alone. There is volenteer help but it's limited because you can only expect so much time from volenteers that in all honesty deserve pay.
3. DBM is in bugfix mode short term awaiting a big storm of work that's going to make march and beyond extremely extremely busy (especially one person).
4. Despite heavy decline, I still put forth my best effort to support all WoW versions while staying on top of retail and upcoming retail ptrs. However, If 9.1 ptr and TBC Beta overlap though (and I expect that they will) i'll be stretched thin. I may have to reduce amount of work that goes into TBC mods if 9.1 needs excessive attention. If you want that to change, and me to be able to have more help/resources, help push those DBM support goals back up. Otherwise, I'll do the best that I can, but am at blizzards scheduling mercy


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